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Benghazi attack
Posted: 01 November 2012 06:24 AM   [ Ignore ]
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Folks:

I’m curious: Do you see a cover-up in the handling of the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Benghazi?

Here’s a timeline that might be helpful: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/timeline-of-events-comments-surrounding-attack-that-killed-4-americans-in-benghazi-libya/2012/10/20/ef5addbe-1a89-11e2-ad4a-e5a958b60a1e_story.html

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Posted: 01 November 2012 08:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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i suspect it’s somewhere between a cover and the fog of war.  early-on, the president likely made a choice that would be very unpopular during this election.  it probably resulted from the ‘fog’ which so often surrounds such violence.  susan rice was sent out by the white house the following sunday as the administration’s talk show spokeswoman.  she was completely wrong in her assertions.  whether they were baseless or not is not the issue, for me.  we won’t know until after the election what actually happened, if then.  i think it, however you wish to define the word ‘it,’ it probably has more to do with the president’s choice than whether or not this was the result of terrorism, which we know now was clearly the case.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 09:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Aren’t these two statements contradictory?  1)“She was completely wrong in her assertions.”  2)“We won’t know until after the election what actually happened, if then.”

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Posted: 01 November 2012 10:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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we know susan rice was wrong in saying the violence was the result of a film.  that clearly was not the case.  the administration agrees with that fact today.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 11:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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“Bengazigate”, as it’s being portrayed by the Repubs, was thought to be the ‘secret sauce’ that would sink this Presidency.  The right felt they were handed a ‘gift’ that would swing the election.  Bengazi has never caught traction outside of Faux/Limbaugh/Beck. 

If anyone believes the President signs off on every global staffing question, they’re mistaken.  If the Department of Agriculture requests a military escort in Afghanistan, it’s handled, or not, by those delegated with the responsibility.  In this case, the embassy had asked for additional security and someone along the chain of command made a intelligence influenced… and budget based… decision.  In retrospect, that decision may have cost 4 Americans their lives.  (How many Americans lost lives and limbs in Iraq due to faulty intelligence that gave someone an excuse to go to war?) 

The day this happened, the POTUS suggested it could well be terrorism as he spoke in the Rose Garden.  However, without full knowledge of exactly what went down, the Administration chose not to tag it “terrorism” until they were completely certain.  E-mails and cables have been found that report this as an organized terrorist attack.  Had the Administration immediately gone public with that ascertion… and it proved wrong… more innocents could die.  Once certain, the correct report of the incident was put forth.

Seems those attempting to make this a “impeachable issue” suggest every citizen should have the right to intelligence reports at the same time… or before… even the White House gets them.  Sorry!  That’s what we have elected leaders in office for. 

The President promised those responsible would be brought to justice.  Some who allegedly participated have already been arrested.  Between you and I, it would not surprise me that others have “conviently disappeared” at the hands of a Special Ops or SEAL team.  We, as it should be, are in no way aware of even a fraction of the operations that are underway on foreign soil… PROTECTING us here at home.

Bengazi was sad for the families of those slain.  Politically, it will go nowhere.  If the President wins re-election, you will probably have the same folks who are “birthers” attempt to keep Bengazigate alive.  They will be quickly ingnored as the nutcases they are.  If Rmoney is elected, he won’t touch this since… with the global terrorism problem as it is… he may well be in the same position before his term is over.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 11:58 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Bob, we’ve been over this before.  Don’t read into something more than what was said.  Here’s the pertinent snippet of the discussion between David Gregory and Susan Rice on Meet the Press September 16th:

GREGORY:  The images as you well know are jarring to Americans watching all of this play out this week, and we’ll share the map of all of this turmoil with our viewers to show the scale of it across not just the Arab world, but the entire Islamic world and flashpoints as well.  In Egypt, of course, the protests outside the U.S. embassy there that Egyptian officials were slow to put down.  This weekend in Pakistan, protests as well there.  More anti-American rage.  Also protests against the drone strikes.  In Yemen, you also had arrests and some deaths outside of our U.S. embassy there.  How much longer can Americans expect to see these troubling images and these protests go forward?

MS. RICE:  Well, David, we can’t predict with any certainty.  But let’s remember what has transpired over the last several days.  This is a response to a hateful and offensive video that was widely disseminated throughout the Arab and Muslim world.  Obviously, our view is that there is absolutely no excuse for violence and that—what has happened is condemnable, but this is a—a spontaneous reaction to a video, and it’s not dissimilar but, perhaps, on a slightly larger scale than what we have seen in the past with The Satanic Verses with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.  Now, the United States has made very clear and the president has been very plain that our top priority is the protection of American personnel in our facilities and bringing to justice those who…

GREGORY:  All right.

MS. RICE:  …attacked our facility in Benghazi.

GREGORY:  Well, let’s talk—talk about—well, you talked about this as spontaneous.  Can you say definitively that the attacks on—on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack?  Was there a terrorist element to it?

MS. RICE:  Well, let us—let me tell you the—the best information we have at present.  First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing.  And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired.  But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of—of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding.  They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya.  And it escalated into a much more violent episode.  Obviously, that’s—that’s our best judgment now.  We’ll await the results of the investigation.  And the president has been very clear—we’ll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 12:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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it’s obvious the replies to ned’s question would reflect our politics.  democrats see it one way, republicans, who have a very low threshold for this president, see it another.  no surprise.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 01:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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I know plenty of Republicans who don’t jump to “cover-up” conclusions at the drop of a hat.  However, there is a growing wing of the GOP that hates Obama so much, they refuse to concede that facts matter.  I’ve pointed out that Rice did not say what Fox attributes to her (what you also keep saying).  But, they continue to harp on it every day in their campaign for Romney.  I see no evidence of a cover-up and I’m not registered with either major party.  It is difficult to deal with facts if you want to toe the party line.  No surprise that Romney supporters don’t want to be fact checked.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 01:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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i listened to rice talk on that sunday while driving to rochester, mn.  anyone who listened with an objective ear would not have to jump to any conclusion.  she said it was the result of the film.  like the president, she may have dropped a line or two for cover, but clearly that was the intent of her message, the film, the film.  i believe they put the film maker in jail, no?


In contrast, Rice said this on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sept. 16: “Our current assessment is what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, prompted by the video.” That’s a view she repeated on CBS and Fox News.   The Atlantic

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Posted: 01 November 2012 01:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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What does it take to get you to read.  You parse the same quote I gave you and stop when you’ve got your opinion satisfied.  That’s ridiculous!  Once again, she said:

But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of—of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding.  They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya.  And it escalated into a much more violent episode.  Obviously, that’s—that’s our best judgment now.  We’ll await the results of the investigation.

Don’t let the facts get in the way of forming opinions.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 01:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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i’m not sure why you’re putting the same quote i used, sort of, to disqualify your prior position?  what am i missing here?  you’re debating the debate rather than the facts?  what she said was false.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 01:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Did you read this part?

What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding.  They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya.  And it escalated into a much more violent episode.  Obviously, that’s—that’s our best judgment now.  We’ll await the results of the investigation.

Let me explain it for you.  Rice says that extremist elements took advantage of the demonstration to launch an attack.  She says our best judgment is that this is what happened.  You repeat the same old thing:

we know susan rice was wrong in saying the violence was the result of a film.

According to you she definitely said it was a result of the demonstrations.  She clearly does not.  READ.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 01:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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and that was false.  there was no demonstration in benghazi.  it was a fabrication.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 01:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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There have been reports of a demonstration in Benghazi.  But please ignore those.

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Posted: 01 November 2012 01:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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whew!

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Posted: 01 November 2012 01:39 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Whew!  Doesn’t fit in your alternate reality, eh?

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