Rick, “These seem to be emotional and irrational statements. Police officers carry guns for their own protection, not to protect you.”
This is my point. The fact that you automatically consider yourself equal to a policemen is just the delusional thinking that I’m talking about. A Saturday of CC class is to police training what a tricycle is to a Harley.
“Rather than compounding exponentially, many of the studies involving concealed carry holders indicates the opposite.”
Many studies indicate a lot of things CC holders are so in fear of the unknown that they need to be packing to feel safe.
“Although some studies are debatable”
ALL studies are debatable. I grew up amid WWII vets. THEY didn’t need guns to go to the grocery. They knew the difference between irrational and rational fear.
“, the general indication is that they are far less likely to commit crimes of violence or gun-related crimes…by a significant percentage when compared to the general population or even police officers. “
It depends upon which “crimes” you’re talking about, doesn’t it? If some yahoo glances a shell off a chair through some child’s cranium, is that a crime?
“Even the critics agree there is no indication the CCL holders are MORE prone to commit crimes of violence. No evidence whatsoever. So your statement is simply wrong.”
My statement said nothing about “crimes”, only stupid frightened people carrying weapons in public places.
“There were no guns in ANY room at Sandy Hook, but the probability of zero violence was not true, was it?”
So, that loony coward with the AK shot those children with his finger?
“I would accept your irrational statement if the gun-free room were heavily guarded outside the room”
No you wouldn’t.
“with armed guards, such as our national lawmakers enjoy. Are those guards, or the lawmakers for that matter, cowards?”
When you go to the DQ for an ice cream, why do you need to be carrying, if not for irrational fear of some imaginary deadly conflict?
“The characterizations of concealed carry holders as frightened half-wits or cowards is simply erroneous. No, they are not cop wanna-bes either. “
Sure they are. You compared them in your opening line of this post.
“I know many CCL holders and none of them have that mentality. They are rational, (unlike some of the comments posted here), and are hard working Americans that you encounter many times a day and never even realize they are carrying a weapon. “
I know many CCL holders who couldn’t hit water from a boat. They have no business carrying a handgun.
“Saying that “any yahoo” can tote a weapon is another example of an emotional temper tantrum not grounded in fact. To legally carry, an applicant is subjected to fingerprinting with a state check as well as a national background check by the FBI. ANY of the following will deny a CCL license: felony convictions, misdemeanor domestic battery convictions, drug convictions, stays in a mental institution, or any court restraining order for domestic abuse, harassing or stalking. Applicants must study state laws and pass a written test and a gun proficiency test. It might make you feel better to exaggerate and provide erroneous statements, but you are still wrong.”
I’m not wrong. It’s no surprise that you can’t see the truth. You’d have to acknowledge that you have nothing to fear among your fellow Kansans… and we all know you can’t do that.
“Are either of you willing to admit your statements should be tempered somewhat because they have no basis in fact but display a petulant anger toward the 2nd amendment? “
Remind me again which “well-regulated militia” you belong to?
“BTW, just exactly how many times have you “had to deal” with a legal CCL holder? Again, I am guessing zero.”
As I said at the beginning of this thread, it’s going to take some innocent slaughter to wake some people up.
“Let’s keep it factual…what say you?”
Absolutely. FACT: If there are no guns in a room, no innocents will die by bullet. FACT: One Saturday of class does not qualify anyone to carry arms into public places.
FACT: Men who can’t leave the house without a firearm have an irrational fear of the unknown. FACT: We, as a society, had moved beyond the gun as a security blanket. We as a society, have regressed 150 years in the last 10.