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Manhattan’s Annual Puke-fest Weekend
Posted: 07 March 2013 09:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Wynn,
Are you going to get a wristband and party down a little?
Remember, a lot of those toy drunks can vote.  Mingle and get some support.  I am trying to get Larry to go down there and have some fun.  I would join in myself but I have to water my rubber tree plant, and I’m goin’ to school and workin’ in a defense plant.

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Posted: 07 March 2013 11:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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So if the students didn’t have spring break on actual St Patrick’s day you guys wouldn’t have any problem with the overcrowding, puking, drain on resources, black eye on the city, etc…?  New Years has the same over-crowding issues but no one complains about that date.  By trying to enforce all the laws on one specific date people could call that profiling.  If you want the cops and fire department to enforce the laws they need to do it at all times, not when a group of citizens that don’t participate in something think it needs to be shut down.

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Posted: 07 March 2013 01:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Michael,
You have a good time this weekend…Party hearty. Personally, I don’t care about Fake Paddy’s Day.  I am not involved.  If I was 21, I probably would be heavily involved. We had a party once in Ft Worth when I was a college student and I consumed two gallons of Vin d’Rose in one evening. 89 cents a gallon at the 7-11.  I had a really good time.  Then I went back to my apartment and painted the stairs red as I crawled up. What a great night…well, until the end which wasn’t so great. It took me about two hours to reach the top of the stairs, and another hour to unlock the door. Then there was the crawling back and forth to the communal bathroom all night.
The point is: these youngsters will learn…as I did…that binge drinking has its consequences. It was thirty years before I could look a glass of wine in the face without throwing up.
Then there was the time at the country club in Ft Worth where my roommate(his dad was rich) and I drank Stingers all afternoon and then had a steak dinner. I won’t go into detail about the aftermath of that.  It wasn’t pretty.
And then, the party where I consumed 12 Black Russians and then….well, that is too gross to describe, so I will stop.

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Posted: 07 March 2013 01:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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I have not been in 4 years.  I think it needs to be curtailed as do the rest of you, but not in the hypocritical way that seems to come about on this message board.  You have always been one that doesn’t forget that he did some crazy things in your youth but I get the feeling that others do.  I also feel that picking out one event and pretending that others do not exist is extremely hypocritical.

If they(the city) are going to enforce the rules and laws that exist to limit the crowds in Aggieville they should be doing it all year long.  Plenty of other opportunities to bump those revenue streams that Wynn talks about besides Fake Paddy’s day.

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Posted: 07 March 2013 01:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Michael:  No wrist band for me.  I will be walking around at four different times to say hello to the MFD, RCPD and EMS folks and to get a firsthand view of what does or does not transpire.  Actually had a good time last year talking to all of the folks that were working to keep things safe.  That should be fun again this year, but we will not however be taking part in the party.

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Posted: 07 March 2013 01:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Wynn,
Party pooper.

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Posted: 07 March 2013 01:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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Wynn I had participated in I think 2 regular St Patrick’s day celebrations and then the original Fake Paddy’s and the following year that was way out of hand.  No one had any issues with the college students during the real St Patrick’s day celebrations and some that I have talked to after running the 10k enjoy not having the college students around for their “own” celebration.  My question is has the number of people grown so much that it surpassed the combined celebration?  If this still was a combined celebration with the included growth like we have seen from Fake Paddy’s day would this be an issue?

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Posted: 07 March 2013 06:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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Michael Davis - 07 March 2013 11:38 AM

So if the students didn’t have spring break on actual St Patrick’s day you guys wouldn’t have any problem with the overcrowding, puking, drain on resources, black eye on the city, etc…?  New Years has the same over-crowding issues ...

Does it really? I live pretty close to Aggieville and the noise and crowds on Fake Patty’s seem larger than on New Year’s. I always assumed it was because most students were out of town on NYE. But it’s your anecdotal evidence versus mine right now, so since you made that claim—Can you show me stats on who and how many attend each weekend? Know how to get an archive of police reports for each night so we can compare?

ETA: And of course, NYE is an actual event, with scheduled activities and fireworks. The regular St Pat’s Day and football games also have an event tied to those days. Fake Patty’s day has no events, or at least hasn’t in the past, and I’m not seeing evidence of them having any this year, just the Facebook page which says “Join us for our annual day to celebrate our great fake Irish heritage.” That’s pretty weak, as far as pretending to have an actual event goes.

The problem, as you well know, is that this “event” is entirely constructed for the bars to sell drinks in larger quantities than usual. That’s it. And this isn’t a case of simple commercialism, because the product being sold in larger quantities affects behavior, motor skills, etc. It’s not like any set of stores having a sale on, say, pizza, or computers. It’s alcohol. So if you want to compare attendance and damage and arrest records, that’s fine, but the big underlying problem here is that this is a day bar owners invented so they could get more people drunk and make more money. And then a city representative excuses it by saying, hey, we make money when these kids break the law, which helps it pay for itself.

Considering there were only three people on this thread, it’s obvious you mean me, personally, by your crack that I don’t remember how I acted in my youth, as though that were the issue. You wanna get off your judgmental high horse and actually address the issues here?

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Posted: 08 March 2013 07:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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I wish there were some solid numbers Stacia as I am just going off the “eye” test of crowds and crowded bars for both events.  I could make an assumption and say that the mix of people in the crowd makes a difference in the noise level as NYE has more older people, while any St Patrick’s day event will more younger people.

If I am not mistaken a large part of any St Patrick’s day celebration is the consumption of green beer and other Irish type drinks so both are equal.  I know Manhattan has the parade/fun walk, 2 mile fun run and 10k races but I’m not sure of the other “events” for St Patrick’s day.

This event grew out of hand because other cities attempted and failed to create their own event to keep their students in town and Aggieville turned into a meeting place for all the students in a 200 mile radius.  Aggieville just did it better.  I agree that it is a problem and needed to be curtailed just not shut down.  What you call commercialism I call supply and demand.  People(students) wanted to celebrate St Patrick’s day in Aggieville before leaving for spring break.  Bar owners saw an opportunity to make money and obliged.  This is no different then students deciding they like to go out on a Monday night instead of a Saturday.  Bar owners see a demand and capitalize on that demand by running targeted specials.  Unfortunately like you pointed out we are talking about alcohol which causes problems.

Since we don’t have any attendance numbers and I would like to hear other guesses too what percentage of the attendance gets in trouble?  10%? 15% 5%  I’m guessing 5% or less but you’d rather shut down an event for that 5% then improve it for the other 95%.

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Posted: 08 March 2013 07:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Michael,
I few years ago I created my own fake event.  Not out of a sense of profit, but one of comfort.  It is called New Year’s Eve in London. I invite a few people over at four in the afternoon, and we festivise for two hours and then welcome in the New Year at six Pm…midnight in London.  Then they go home and I don’t have to sit up til midnight in Kansas.  Same principle as Fake Paddy’s Day, you see?

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Posted: 08 March 2013 11:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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By the way Michael,
NYE in Aggieville is not comparable.  I think the major difference is that most of the attendees do not start drinking at 9 AM, and, as you point out, it is an older crowd than one normally finds in Aggieville. They probably show up maybe a couple of hours before the big moment.  They don’t come at 9 AM and drink all day. Moreover, it is not advertised as a drunk fest, but merely a celebration of the New Year.  I haven’t heard of any serious problems associated with that celebration.  In addition, it is usually cold, so people don’t hang out in the streets very long. Tomorrow will be warm.
Oh, you certainly can find out that information that Stacia requested, as can she.  It is public record. I would be willing to say that the arrests on NYE pale in comparison to Fake Paddy’s Day.
In the olden days, Kites…the real Kites…provided buses to the games on those days. I don’t remember much of a problem until 84’.

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Posted: 09 March 2013 08:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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I was over there about eight this morning.  It was pouring down rain and the youngsters were already marching toward Aggieville in t-shirts, flip flops and umbrellas.
By the way, who is Viola? I was reading that I Wonder column by Ms. Wery and she said “With bars and money in hand, 91.9 just had to add college students wanting to get drunk, and viola, instant crazy college party.” So you add students and Viola and you have a party. I assume that Viola must have been a really fun girl.

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Posted: 09 March 2013 12:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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Maybe it refers to the instrument?  Add some viola music, maybe throw in a cello and you have a party.

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Posted: 09 March 2013 12:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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As much as the City Commission supports and applauds this puke-fest, perhaps they have sprung for sting ensembles to perform at the AV bars.  Partks & Rec will have a viola, a cello, and a couple fiddles playing Bach and Bethoven for the enjoyment of the crowds. 

Could be a really “educational” afternoon.  If the partiers were planning on watching the KSU BB game, they are greeted with black screens and a KSNT message “Please BARE with us!”  Substantial inebriation and unable to put two words together that makes sense… if the see the word “bare”... RCPD might have their hands full.  Woops!  No pun intended…..

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Posted: 10 March 2013 08:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Well, it is over now so the yearly debates? “what to do, what to do?” can begin. As I predicted, the incidents were about the same in number. Getting wet does not dampen the spirits of the young who are seeking spirits.

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